You Pingsters Deserve an Explanation
I am breaking many of my personal rules here, but here I am posting another community related post about Ping. I need to address a few issues about my last post, and this will be the last time I am talking about it as a post on my blog.
To address some points that Endoh pointed out and other comments left on the blog, I have the following to say.
Before Daphne spoke to me over msn on this matter, I was already aware that at least 2 people were openly disliking the level of interest in the mundane topic of Daphne’s crush. I DIDN’T CARE, because I am in for the believe that everyone has a right to like or dislike topics or blogs as long as they don’t declare war over it. Like what Uzyn said,
“Everyone’s unique. Every bloggers are unique. Ping.sg is started not as an aggregator for smart bloggers, nor is it started as an aggregator for immature bloggers. It’s started because of blogs and bloggers of Singapore.
Everyone’s unique, and every bloggers have their own readerbase, even before Ping.sg. Ping.sg gives the bloggers a chance to exchange each others readership and naturally, a reader who likes to read sports blogs wouldn’t like to read a fashion blog, but that doesn’t mean the fashion blogger IQ is lower or anything.
Let’s open our arms and accept that all of us are bloggers (I know I’m becoming less of a blogger now due to the inactivity of my blog, paiseh) and all our blogs are unique in one way or the other, ok?
Anyway, here’s a promise. As long as I am able to (unless gahmen say i kenot), Ping.sg will always remain neutral, open and free. That’s my goal and my dream, and I’m sure most Pingsters’ goal and dream as well.”
I believe in that vision and that’s why I don’t care about the indifference towards such topics. Only when Daphne told me she felt really affected by it was when I got very upset. I got upset because, it’s the core community that is affecting her. And I do believe that these people are actually friends with Daphne and they really shouldn’t hurt her like that.
I also agreed in my post that Daphne SHOULDN’T be so affected by it as everyone is entitled to their own opinions!
Now it comes to the part where Endoh and anyone else asks,
“Where is the evidence? Give us names!”
I didn’t care on gathering evidence nor screenshot the shoutbox or twitters as I already know the displeasure of a few people towards the ‘shallow’ topics. Moreover, I regard some of them as friends and my post isn’t about pointing out individuals. If I wanted to do that, I would have approached them through private ways.
Then some say,
“If they are your friends, then why are you trying to attract attention through such a title and make a big fuss over it?”
I used my blog to express my opinion about them because it isn’t my business to approach them about the matter in the 1st place and I would rather voice my views at them while preserving their anonymity. And to those who think I am trying to attract attention or raise my popularity with such a posting, I’m afraid you are right.
Right in the sense that I am a blogger and my posts are made public. I want high readership like any self respecting blogger who admits to it. BUT, I am like what a few mentioned in the comments for the last post.
“I don’t care much for being in the top 10.”
That is true for me as well but I will like to elaborate it so that it is more correct. I did mention to Wishbone sometime back that people with good content who are not ‘popular’ in Ping need not worry. Those with good content will eventually have a fanbase. Why? Because eventually, it’s the content that makes people bookmark/subscribe/visit your blog. If a blogger has poor content and constantly misleads people with his/her title, he won’t get much traffic on days where he doesn’t blog and also in the long run. And I do believe that I have a group of readers that may be relatively small, but they enjoy what I write mostly. Ping and tomorrow.sg may have been two of the driving forces behind my websites growth, but I don’t need to whore myself to get reads. If I manage to get into the top 10, then it’s just a bonus. The loyal readers will still come to appreciate my posts.
The last post was lousy content in my own opinion, why the hell do I want attention to such a post to ‘raise my popularity’. I had common sense to think that the so called ‘popularity’ would actually dip because of it. But I still wanted to say my peace because I have an opinion and I am not afraid to say it with tact.
And if you think it wasn’t with tact, you’ll be amazed at what I really had in mind.
It’s weird but I think the word ‘shallow’ also affected more serious bloggers than the ‘shallow’ ones. I think I could have stepped on a sensitive spot somewhere. I do admit on hindsight that it could be wrong to label it as ‘shallow’. Maybe ‘mundane’ would have been a more tactful word.
In conclusion, I admit that I am shallow(like always… but i am extremely proud of it), I might have mislead people to think that I am waging war against certain people. But there is nothing I disagree on when I look at the post over and over again. I may have been seen as being exaggerated or making groundless accusations but I still stand true to my opinions.
Sorry if you still want me to post pics here and there and to link here and there to point fingers. I still won’t do it because it wasn’t my main purpose in the 1st place. My biggest point is still,
“There is nothing wrong with shallow bloggers/posts/topics. Good content can still come from it.”
I know I could have unwittingly created discomfort or discord amongst certain bloggers but so be it. If the relationships are that fragile, I don’t think the affected bloggers should be sad of losing a friend or two. And I still welcome and cherish whatever friends that I have made in wonderful communities like Ping.
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May 30th, 2008 at 11:25 am
LOL welcome to the reality of Ping.sg. The cliques truly exists and not all friends are truly friends…
Some will become real friends and some are just out looking to fish for more opportunities. Be wary and tread forward gingerly…
May 30th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Well said. Let’s move on then, shall we?
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May 30th, 2008 at 11:57 am
I would love to write an explanation too, except that my exam is in 2 hrs, and i don’t feel like doing anything but stone.
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May 30th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Don’t you feel since it was of your own free will to stand up for a friend, for whatever reason, it is your onus to verify and back yourself up with evidence?
Don’t you feel that when less than three bloggers have expressed unhappiness in their blogs, the big “hoo haa” is exaggerated?
Don’t you feel since you have the Rights to express your own opinion, that the same applies to those bloggers you are “attacking”? If that’s what you preach, why even bother to get upset over it?
You started off with a rampage on these unhappy bloggers, only to end with “it’s not your business to approach them about the matter”. I believe some bloggers are already thinking like me, what business is it of yours to “attack” them directly or indirectly then?
My dear friend, it is again your own free will, to get sucked into the quicksand pit deeper and deeper the more you go on. Why put your own head on the chopping board, when you ain’t involved in the first palce like you described?
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May 30th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
And so this kangaroo court, and the sham of a public trial continues.
I went through 30 pages of shouts yesterday – nothing on the word ‘shallow posts’. I did a keyword search on the word ‘shallow’ on ping.sg and sorted the page by date, there were posts with the word ‘shallow’ and well, and those on this matter belongs to YOU and Wendy. The other posts had that word but were on other matters entirely.
This is nothing more than a gossip in the dark between some of you. Some judging on persons unnamed were made. And then this is made public. And after it is made public it goes beating around the bush about a matter that doesn’t exists – the matter of complaints about shallow postings – as I have proven above.
Now, before you scream and said it does exist, hear this. If this was something told in private to the person you seek to defend, then what you have done simply shows this person can’t be trusted to personal views. A part of this person’s reputation is ruined by your actions. In short, it tells the world that when this person decided that she didn’t like something, then certain information can then be turned around to use as a weapon.
You haven’t helped your friend at all.
May 30th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
can u all pls stop quarreling abt this already?
yes the word ‘shallow’ wasn’t used in any post or twitter, no i didnt create the story, n no im not going to explain anymore right now.
its over. live n let live.
ppl shdnt speculate abt who these ppl were (more than 3) n dont draw ur own conclusions. pls.
kris wrote that post cos he was upset tht i was upset. that is all.
i nvr intended to make a public spectacle of this. in any case, those ppl who think tht the community no longer fits what they r looking for, well, our doors are always open for u if u wanna come back one day.
thats all i have to say, n now i have doubts abt writing my own explanations anymore. i dont want any more eyes on this matter.. really.
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May 30th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
It’s not quarrelling that’s for sure. I feel we should be fair to the rest of the ping users, who are not part of your circle of friends. How does this circle of friends represent the entire Ping?
kris wrote that post cos he was upset tht i was upset. that is all.
See? All it takes is just one line to clarify the entire issue. It’s that simple.
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May 30th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Guess if these things happen in the more personal and lesser traffic blogs, nothing will happen. But because people in Ping are quite close together, and this blog has quite alot of follower, hence things are blown this way.
Let’s just move on and let it past.
*World Peace*
May 30th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
I was thinking, this could actually be an misunderstanding. Maybe they don’t mean that the post is shallow. But things that they said might be misunderstood. Like Daph had said, they didn’t use the word shallow.
I think your previous entry has unknowingly created a tension in ping.sg. Everyone is wondering “Am I the person in Kris post? Did I say something that was being misunderstood by Daph?”
So I think the best way is to check if the 3 people were being misunderstood. No need to announce here in your entry. At least email them privately and check with them. If this is a misunderstanding, then please help to clear it up and move on.
Don’t leave things hanging like this. This is not good for the community.
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May 30th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
forgive & forget …
or another
ignorance is bliss …
it’s just blogging, why all so serious
May 30th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
I agree with DK that there might be some misunderstanding here and there but chill people… this issue is getting tense..
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May 30th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Here’s what I’ve found to be the best way to deal with trash and shit-stirrers.
Don’t talk about them.
Don’t comment on their blogposts because it fuels “discussion” (read: spewing more crap).
Deny them any and all linkjuice.
All this further commenting and posting blog posts to “jump on the bandwagon” and linking out just encourages them. So let’s learn it and soon a community-policing model will fall in place.
After awhile, it’s just another tree that falls in a forest with no one around to hear it.
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May 30th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Lol how did *I* become part of the equation? The only reason my post had the word shallow was was because I’ve read Kris’s post. -.-”
Anyway, on a serious note, why is it that the people involved cannot be named??? Maybe you’ll want to clarify this point for everyone. Did they ASK not to be named or is it just your personal thing that you feel they SHOULDN’T be named?
This post has successfully further confused me haha.
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May 30th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Anyway perhaps the choice of words in the first post could’ve been better. Seems like they’ve misled lots of people.
I agree with DK’s comment about everyone wondering if they are the ones mentioned, since they “attackers” and “those attacked” were not specified.
In fact, I believe that the first question I asked Kris was… “HUH? WHO SAY I AM SHALLOW?” only to find out “Chey, not talking about me.”
Wendys last blog post..The only consistent factor in all your dysfunctional relationships is you.
May 30th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
I think we should let this rest…in this world, you can’t make everyone agree with you. Somebody’s gonna play the devil’s advocate and step on your toes, etc etc. Maybe it’s better to ignore those and instead, focus on the people who like and welcome us?
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May 30th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
teng teng teng teng.
ah, behold the occasional blogger hoo hah.
at the end of the day, it’s still just, we want blog what just blog what lor.
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May 31st, 2008 at 12:05 am
I had a lot in mind earlier in the day to say, but right now.. i realize it’s a big waste of my time. These two posts contains everything I need to say if people READ. If you still don’t get it. Too bad.
To all the rest who were supportive of me thru comments and private msgs. I thank you all becuz you all understood my intentions and opinions.
That’s it. Byeeeee~
May 31st, 2008 at 4:19 am
Kris, dun get upset, its not worth it.
By the way, I like your lame posts better. Lame = happy. I like happy. =)
I also shallow, by the way, if you know me in person.
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May 31st, 2008 at 6:34 am
I was so tempted to blog about the issue as well. Maybe titled, “What is WRONG with you, Kris?”
Then again, not everybody shares my sense of humour (or lack of it) & like some had pointed out there are just too many unknown elements in the drama (which make it hard to blog about) that it just seems like a fiction to me.
A good fiction, mind you. And like I wrote in Endoh’s post, I have nothing against a good fiction that injects some drama & excitement in the blogosphere. Heh.
In the end, yes, it’s your personal blog. Shallow or cheem post, it’s all yours to decide. Whether your readers like it or not, it’s up to you to decide whether it matters or not.
I’m tediously long-winded in the morning. Sorry.
May 31st, 2008 at 10:31 am
Wa so many comments LOL
Aiya mai huan loh ani zway la. Its not day one you know that blogosphere is a place whereby anyone can sisuah gong jiao wei one ma.. den gong liao everyone else sisuah comment because they don’t know what you’re trying to say and so sisuahly got different views and opinions. So you sisuah SUA ok MUAHAHAHA (inspired by sisuahlai)
BUT…
You never protect me and mei nu from the ang mo is unforgiveable one lor?! Everything else including this sisuah entry is not important, SAYING WE ARE AH GUAS IS !@#$% OK !@#$% niama eh think we forgive u liao meh you chicken curry!!!
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May 31st, 2008 at 10:35 am
Haiyo read read le, better clarify = I didn’t mean everyone who post here very sisuah lai ok
(mai sisuah attack me also)
hahahaha
*takes cover under some yandao’s armpit*
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May 31st, 2008 at 5:13 pm
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June 1st, 2008 at 11:40 am
You know hor… It’s getting alittle chimz whenever you talk about the blogging and ping and pong stuffs… I don’t understand at all!!! But it’s ok, I’m still your faithful reader! *winks*
(P.S: Well, I’m “shallow” too… My job already too serious, I need something lame and funny to destress me. So don’t care other people la! I miss your crapiness!!!)
June 1st, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Ask them to fuck off to where they belong. Bo liao.